![]() Quote: Sneak Stab (Ex): A knife master focuses her ability to deal sneak attack damage with daggers and similar weapons to such a degree that she can deal more sneak attack damage with those weapons at the expense of sneak attacks with other weapons. It's like trying to claim that a fighter archtype that changed the weapon training to work only on polearms still has his weapon training for bows since the change didn't say anything about the fighter's 'table'. if the requirement asked for 2 dice of sneak attack then ok. it count as sneak attack for everything BUT the size of the dice. The knife master change the sneak attack dice and he never get any d6 so he never has 2d6. the normal sneak attack also say that they apply when attacking so what? when applying to a prestige class no1 has sneak attack since they are not attacking? don't be daft. so he never get any 2d6 to pass the requirment anymore then a 1st level rogue doesīeside. ![]() it simply tell you how the class ability that is explained later is changed!Īnd the fact is it changed the sneak attack from d6 to d4 and d8. Im sorry, but are you implying that a knife master has 2d6 of sneak attack since the archtype doesn't say "and go back to change on what the basic rogue table say?" no archtype that change anything tell you to change the stuff in the class table. It's a touch of an overpowered archetype, but this isn't needed to fix it. Which then becomes +4d8 with daggers, or +4d4 with other weapons. So a Knife Master 4/Arcane Trickster 4 *has* +4d6 sneak attack. This ability is identical in all other ways to sneak attack, and supplements that ability." For sneak attacks with all other weapons, she uses d4s instead of d6s. When she makes a sneak attack with a dagger, kerambit, kukri, punching daggers, starknife, or swordbreaker dagger (Advanced Player's Guide 178), she uses d8s to roll sneak attack damage instead of d6s. Knife Master: "Sneak Stab (Ex): A knife master focuses her ability to deal sneak attack damage with daggers and similar weapons to such a degree that she can deal more sneak attack damage with those weapons at the expense of sneak attacks with other weapons. If an arcane trickster gets a sneak attack bonus from another source, the bonuses on damage stack." The extra damage dealt increases by +1d6 every other level (2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, and 10th). Just because I wrote it online doesn't make it true.īelafon presents the argument well, but I agree that it's a silly one.Īrcane Trickster: "Sneak Attack: This is exactly like the rogue ability of the same name. Doesn't mean either one of us is right or wrong. Another GM might say that once you become an Arcane Trickster, you are no longer as focused on the stabby weapons, so the Arcane Trickster sneak attack dice are all d6s. Personally, I would let the Arcane Trickster's sneak attack damage stack the same way as the Knife Master's (d8/d4). Things don't quite match up and when you try to find technical arguments to make them fit it really depends which clause in the rules you emphasize. It's another one of those little holes we've been finding ever since the game came out. Because one of the prerequisites for Arcane Trickster is "Sneak attack +2d6" and the Knife Master's sneak attack is not d6 based. If you continue down that superliteral path, then you can't be a Knife Master/Arcane Trickster at all. +2d4 (Knife master) +2d6 (Arcane Trickster) However, the upside is that if you are attacking with a weapon that has reduced damage for the knife master the arcane trickster's damage wouldn't be reduced. +2d8 (Knife master) +2d6 (Arcane Trickster) ![]() So if you are a Knife Master 3/Wizard 3/Arcane Trickster 4 and are attacking with a knife then your sneak attack damage is: Mechanically, it's because the Arcane Trickster's Sneak Attack functions as the normal rogue's Sneak Attack, not the Knife Master's Sneaky Stab. They do "stack" (you get the bonus damage from each) but as you pointed out the Arcane Trickster dice are d6s.
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